Any good performance/tuning shops in the area?

[CobraChuck]

I'm currently running on Kenne Bell's stock, oh-God-please-don't-sue-us tune, but I want to get the car custom tuned down there on 93 octane. Any suggestions/horror stories?

[Big12]

have to go to Dallas for that......i recommend Gearheads.....they did mine.

[SeeingRed]

I recommend a poster on this board by the name of NeverEnuff (Matt Hayes). He's tuning my '98 Cobra (with a blower) right now and I'd go to him before I'd go to Gearheads or HPP.

However, if you're hell bent on a shop/dyno tune, Matt can tune your car on a Dyno at a shop in Wichita Falls once the dyno gets put it or you can take it to Gearheads or HPP in the DFW area and let them tune it.

[NeverEnuff]

^ Thanks sir.

[SeeingRed]

NP.

[CobraChuck]

Good info to have, I'm ready for something better than the California smog-legal 'canned' tune. 10:1 AFR at WOT? How's that supposed to be better for the environment? :confused:

[SeeingRed]

That's pretty fat. :) But it's a lot less likely to detonate. It's a safe tune.

[NeverEnuff]

^ True. Safe than sorry.

We can def play around with it...just need a WB...and access to your processor...

11:1 is safe....10:1 is dumb. lol. Anything below that is begging to wash out the cyls and start missing...

[BackinBlack]

HPP or Gearheads. I would definantly talk to the guys who have used the shops and get their opinions. I've heard good and bad about both.

[1lo94]

gearheads all the way, awsome work cheap prices and lots of very quick proven cars

[NeverEnuff]

gearheads all the way, cheap prices

You get what you pay for...

And remember, it isn't always the same person working on your car. Most shops I know pass jobs off to one another like a hooker passes her pussy around. I like the idea of 1 to maybe 2 guys on 1 project at most. Just like SVT does it...

And if you want to talk about fast and cheap...take a look at what has come out of my 2 stall garage, with mainly just me working at it.

Hell James' cobra, tore down, machined, built, and tuned and thought up by me...thing is already out of fuel at 5200-5300 rpm, and is only seeing 10psi and only 4-6* of total timing. If you know anything about centrifugal blowers, tuning and fuel...that car is at 420-440rwhp right now, the MAF is at about 75% of its limits (HPX MAF, good for 600+rwhp), add 1500 rpm (6700-7000 max), a good 6-12* more of timing, and more fuel, and that car with this 'street' combo is going to make upper 500rwhp, getting real close to 600rwhp.

And ask him what his 'labor' bill was here at Never Enuff Performance? lol. I bet its no where near the 10+ thousand dollars gearheads or HPP would do it...and no guessing games about if this or that got done...

and back to HPP, this WAS a HPP car. Once again...I had to go through and fix a ton of fuck ups on it...not surprising though...we are talking about HPP...

I would chose gearheads over HPP, but I would choose me over either any day.

But hell...what do I know..440+rwhp nitrous 2V, 540+rwhp 2V, 363rwhp NA AVIATOR motor (still have yet to see a stock motor make that power anywhere), 550rwhp D1 4V, 600+rwhp TT 4V, and a 424rwhp N/A big BOre cutting it short on RPM...Yeah...I guess nothing fast comes out of my "garage" either....oh wait. This is just MY car...

not to mention, James 98 Cobra, 07 Shelby GT500 making 550rwhp plus on a pulley and tune along with making 465rwhp on just my tuning bone stock, 06 GT making 530rwhp all built by me, also running out of fuel at 5300, cammed (smallest NSR comps) 3V over 3.5 years ago making 331rwhp on motor and bolt ons, A few LS cars here and there. I mean...I am just a one man team, in a garage with NO dyno and NOT much help.

Someday when I own my own shop...

[1lo94]

K well i wasnt saying anything negative about you, i guess i should have put competitive pricing...o and there is only 4 people that work at gearheads and one only answers phones so its still all on small shop feel, and other than travis the guys work on one certain car while the other guys work on a different one...like i said no personal attack on you or what you work on, from the videos you have posted it seems as though you are very knowledgeable and a pretty good mechanic....but dont take this the wrong way alot of people estimate there cars to make power, but not many dyno them and prove what they put down...do you have dyno sheets or videos where any of those cars made the power you say they did? cuz i could say mine makes 500hp but in all reality mine was dynoed before blower and made 388 hp 418 tq but i honestly have no idea what it would put down right now with blower but what i do know is it will have numbers, and proof of the numbers and video very soon so there is no guessing or what i say it is kind of stuff...but anyways hope to see how your cars you build run before to long and i hope these high numbers you speak of coming out of a two bay garage hold up one of these days

[SeeingRed]

Let me get my fuel and tune right and you'll see. I've been driving my car every day since Friday and believe me, it's not slow.

And nothing against you as a person, but I think it's kinda goofy that you rely on dyno numbers as proof that a car is fast.

[Nikkia]

I think it's kinda goofy that you rely on dyno numbers as proof that a car is fast.

Please explain that with more depth..

[BackinBlack]

I think it's kind of goofy to change the subject from hp numbers to how fast a car is. 1lo94 was just making a point that he actually knows what numbers his car puts on the ground and I know for a fact that he can also back it up with time slips from the track. I agree that dyno numbers don't mean everything but making an educated guess at your numbers and actually knowing are very different things.

I'm sure all the cars you guys have done are awesome. Matt your car is sweet. I've seen it running around and I've seen the videos... BUT your not the only person who can build a car. I've installed headers, blowers, water pumps, intakes, rebuilt transmissions and any number of other things on cars. It doesn't make me an authority. If you guys talked like this to Travis (Gearheads) and Many (HPP), they would laugh. Just like everyone else who is reading this post.

I do want to make sure that you understand that I am not trying to downplay anything you are doing in your garage. I think its great. We need more fast Mustangs. We don't need people running there mouths and telling us how much everyone else sucks and how awesome they are. That's goofy.

[1lo94]

Let me get my fuel and tune right and you'll see. I've been driving my car every day since Friday and believe me, it's not slow.

And nothing against you as a person, but I think it's kinda goofy that you rely on dyno numbers as proof that a car is fast.

Well let's see I don't base it off dyno numbers by it's self but let's see u don't street race? U think our track is junk so u don't go there? U don't dyno ur car?so how am I supposed to judge how fast your "it's not slow" car is? I have done all the above and trust me from the way u talk I would think ur car should be fast but it don't impress me so far and I have personally done evrything to my car except tune it myself so I'm not trying to bash on how good of work u do but u are a little more than full of yourselfs

[SeeingRed]

Please explain that with more depth..

All I mean is you shouldn't require a dyno sheet or hp numbers from a dyno to know a car is fast. I won't be able to put my car on a dyno because I'm leaving this city in less than a month and won't have time to take my car to Wichita Falls or to Dallas to use a dyno, but I know for a fact that my car will be mid-high 500s to the wheels once the tune is done and the fuel is right. I'm not bragging at all, just using my car as an example. I may not know the exact numbers my car puts down, but I'll be able to make an educated guess. I can say "my car has this and this and this with this and that and is making this many PSI and this RPM range" and make a pretty close estimate to the range of power it's putting to the ground. I mean, right now I'm maxing out my 225 fuel pump and have the rev limiter set to 5,500 because I run out of fuel on the big end. Cars that don't make power don't run out of gas.

I can see where 1lo94 is coming from to a point. I can understand people saying "Oh, well my car has XXX HP to the wheels", yet they have zero proof, whether it's racing, dyno, track times, whatever. I agree there. However, this isn't one of those instances.


But to answer the original poster's question, there are shops available in Wichita Falls, Dallas, and here in Abilene Matt can tune your car as good or better than the shops in Dallas.

[SeeingRed]

Well let's see I don't base it off dyno numbers by it's self but let's see u don't street race? U think our track is junk so u don't go there? U don't dyno ur car?so how am I supposed to judge how fast your "it's not slow" car is? I have done all the above and trust me from the way u talk I would think ur car should be fast but it don't impress me so far and I have personally done evrything to my car except tune it myself so I'm not trying to bash on how good of work u do but u are a little more than full of yourselfs

Slow your role, for starters. I never said dick about you, your car, or your mechanical abilities. That being said, get your shit straight.

I do race, on the street or at the track. I am willing to put my car on the dyno. I have raced all of the cars I've owned here at the track here and on the street here. Yes, the Abilene track is shit, but it's a track. I raced my '03 Mach there, I took my '92 LX there, I took my '90 LX there. Why didn't I race last season? Because my car wasn't running from March '09 until a couple of weeks ago. If you want to judge how fast my car is, set up a time and a place and I'll meet you there ONCE MY CAR IS READY. Don't make this about me or about you, because I take your post as a personal attack against me, and that doesn't sit well with me seeing as how I didn't attack you personally...or ever really say shit about you. Un-wad your panties and calm the fuck down. Please. And in my defense, I'm not full of myself. You back Gearheads because in your opinion they do good work, which they do. I back Matt because I know he does good work and I know that he has no business being in the Air Force because he could make a shit load of money running his own shop and building race cars. Different strokes for different folks.

[BackinBlack]

And in my defense, I'm not full of myself. You back Gearheads because in your opinion they do good work, which they do. I back Matt because I know he does good work and I know that he has no business being in the Air Force because he could make a shit load of money running his own shop and building race cars. Different strokes for different folks.


Yes different strokes for different folks. So why don't you guys give it a rest and let others have their opinion.

You get what you pay for...

And remember, it isn't always the same person working on your car. Most shops I know pass jobs off to one another like a hooker passes her pussy around. I like the idea of 1 to maybe 2 guys on 1 project at most. Just like SVT does it...

And if you want to talk about fast and cheap...take a look at what has come out of my 2 stall garage, with mainly just me working at it.

Hell James' cobra, tore down, machined, built, and tuned and thought up by me...thing is already out of fuel at 5200-5300 rpm, and is only seeing 10psi and only 4-6* of total timing. If you know anything about centrifugal blowers, tuning and fuel...that car is at 420-440rwhp right now, the MAF is at about 75% of its limits (HPX MAF, good for 600+rwhp), add 1500 rpm (6700-7000 max), a good 6-12* more of timing, and more fuel, and that car with this 'street' combo is going to make upper 500rwhp, getting real close to 600rwhp.

And ask him what his 'labor' bill was here at Never Enuff Performance? lol. I bet its no where near the 10+ thousand dollars gearheads or HPP would do it...and no guessing games about if this or that got done...

and back to HPP, this WAS a HPP car. Once again...I had to go through and fix a ton of fuck ups on it...not surprising though...we are talking about HPP...

I would chose gearheads over HPP, but I would choose me over either any day.

But hell...what do I know..440+rwhp nitrous 2V, 540+rwhp 2V, 363rwhp NA AVIATOR motor (still have yet to see a stock motor make that power anywhere), 550rwhp D1 4V, 600+rwhp TT 4V, and a 424rwhp N/A big BOre cutting it short on RPM...Yeah...I guess nothing fast comes out of my "garage" either....oh wait. This is just MY car...

not to mention, James 98 Cobra, 07 Shelby GT500 making 550rwhp plus on a pulley and tune along with making 465rwhp on just my tuning bone stock, 06 GT making 530rwhp all built by me, also running out of fuel at 5300, cammed (smallest NSR comps) 3V over 3.5 years ago making 331rwhp on motor and bolt ons, A few LS cars here and there. I mean...I am just a one man team, in a garage with NO dyno and NOT much help.

Someday when I own my own shop...

I understand advertising but damn! Both of these shops have race cars that compete in national events and they are fast. All we ever hear out of you guys is shit talking and arrogance. Yes you have cool cars and they are fast... We get it. When you guys start walking on water then maybe I'll believe all the hype.

[1lo94]

Right on

[NeverEnuff]

K well i wasnt saying anything negative about you, i guess i should have put competitive pricing...o and there is only 4 people that work at gearheads and one only answers phones so its still all on small shop feel, and other than travis the guys work on one certain car while the other guys work on a different one...like i said no personal attack on you or what you work on, from the videos you have posted it seems as though you are very knowledgeable and a pretty good mechanic....but dont take this the wrong way alot of people estimate there cars to make power, but not many dyno them and prove what they put down...do you have dyno sheets or videos where any of those cars made the power you say they did? cuz i could say mine makes 500hp but in all reality mine was dynoed before blower and made 388 hp 418 tq but i honestly have no idea what it would put down right now with blower but what i do know is it will have numbers, and proof of the numbers and video very soon so there is no guessing or what i say it is kind of stuff...but anyways hope to see how your cars you build run before to long and i hope these high numbers you speak of coming out of a two bay garage hold up one of these days

I have dyno sheets on all of them, save for the D1 4v, as I only had it on there for 4-5 weeks before I went TT...but you do the math...444rwhp on a P1 at 12psi with very low timing, and 18psi on a D1....

Holds up? What are you talking about? Every combo has held up...never had a problem with any of them except the big bore combo, and if you think there is a problem with it right now...grab your bottle and your shifting skills and lets meet up. lol.

You know the reasons for the combo changes? Do you really? You obviously don't know me...so then how about you dont say things like "it wasn't a personal attack" when you did such that by saying the last line you did in your post. Every 'combo' that I have done hasn't been taking down because of a problem per-say, but because of my personal choice. I get bored easily and want something different. Instead of selling a car that I love so much and doing something different, I just change the combo up. It saves money, and helps me learn more and more about the modular motors and setups and what they are capable of.

SO in the end. Grab some cash, your bottle and your mouth, let me know when and where, and Ill even race you bottle for motor and see how you do...

[NeverEnuff]

. If you guys talked like this to Travis (Gearheads) and Many (HPP), they would laugh. Just like everyone else who is reading this post.



Never had a problem with Travis...at all.

But I have talked like this to Manny at HPP, check out the 40+ page thread on ModFords...I have fixed more than one of his 'shops' fuck ups. Is Manny responsible for the car...yes, did he always do the work, no...

I could say the same thing about you...what makes you the guy who determines the best cars out there? You may have swapped blowers, and done 'maintenance' type stuff...but what I have done and do, isn't exactly just afternoon type stuff...

[NeverEnuff]

When you guys start walking on water then maybe I'll believe all the hype.

Um....Manny or Travis don't do that either....

[Black_Bullitt]

We interrupt your regularly scheduled bitch fest to bring you the following announcement:

Everyone needs to chill for a minute.
You are all entitled to your opinions, views, etc. Reviews of whatever are welcomed. But the personal attacks need to stop. I don't want this site turning into another street scene with separate crews always at each others throats. I created this site to avoid that.

I have my own opinion(s) on this whole topic but will keep them to myself. Suffice it to say I see both sides of the argument. There's a possibility there may be more to come on this topic, but for now, please try to remain on topic in regards to the original intent of this thread, and keep the personal attacks (and defenses) to a minimum.

Thanks,
Rich

[Nikkia]

SO in the end. Grab some cash, your bottle and your mouth, let me know when and where, and Ill even race you bottle for motor and see how you do...

I wasn't talking shit but I would be happy to run you.. I have to agree with Rich, there is normally good tech talk here and just skimming through posts here I have learned quite a bit in prep. for the Cobra that will be here shortly. I don't know you on a personal level Neverenuff having never met you but you seem like a knowledgeable guy..but I have hung with lo94 and I don't think he was getting "sass" with you.

[1lo94]

i guess you dont pay much attention when i said "hold up" i ment as in puts down some decent numbers, being either dyno numbers, track times, or racing someone on the street....like i said nothing personal about you except i post up gearheads and you automaticly start running your mouth bout shit you dont know...and just so you know i have no bottle and aint gonna have no bottle anytime on my lil 95 car, but i will run you one of these days, and rich you are right the site is a nice site and i usually like it a lot but anytime someone has a opinion, neverenuff and seeingred get on here and start talking shit bout everyone but themselves and make themselves seem to be the best and like they do walk on water as back in black said but i think from that the site is worse then streetscene these days

[BackinBlack]

I could say the same thing about you...what makes you the guy who determines the best cars out there? You may have swapped blowers, and done 'maintenance' type stuff...but what I have done and do, isn't exactly just afternoon type stuff...

Show me where I ever said your cars aren't good. I never said anyone was better than you. You say that you are better over and over.

I also don't recall there being any mention of me doing "maintenance" type stuff. You have no idea what kind of cars I've worked on or even own for that matter. Once again you are putting everyone else down. Imagen that. If your cars run like your mouth then no one will ever be faster than you.

Nobody gives a shit how badass you think you are.

I will say this very clearly so that you can understand. I am not putting you or your work down. I haven't said anything negative about your cars. I just want everyone to be able to talk and you guys not be Forum Nazis.

[SeeingRed]

i guess you dont pay much attention when i said "hold up" i ment as in puts down some decent numbers, being either dyno numbers, track times, or racing someone on the street....like i said nothing personal about you except i post up gearheads and you automaticly start running your mouth bout shit you dont know...and just so you know i have no bottle and aint gonna have no bottle anytime on my lil 95 car, but i will run you one of these days, and rich you are right the site is a nice site and i usually like it a lot but anytime someone has a opinion, neverenuff and seeingred get on here and start talking shit bout everyone but themselves and make themselves seem to be the best and like they do walk on water as back in black said but i think from that the site is worse then streetscene these days

I never talked shit about anyone or said anything to build myself up, thank you very much. And if this site is so bad, don't fucking post here. Simple as that.

[SeeingRed]

I just want everyone to be able to talk and you guys not be Forum Nazis.

Don't lump me in to that group. Re-read this thread Champ. I started my long diatribes when 1lo94 got lippy. Other than that, yours and others have the wrong perception of who I am, that's for sure.

[BackinBlack]

I didn't even mention you in that post Champ. I guess if YOU want lump yourself in then go ahead. I was mostly responding to NeverEuff's personal attack on my mechanical abilities and his obvious lack of respect for anyone who is'nt part of his band of brothers.

[silver-347]

I woundnt mind seeing these cars run heard they were fast ,when are you guys out and about?

[1lo94]

Don't lump me in to that group. Re-read this thread Champ. I started my long diatribes when 1lo94 got lippy. Other than that, yours and others have the wrong perception of who I am, that's for sure.

you can kiss my fucking ass yall started the bull shit

[BackinBlack]

This thread is so going to get locked.

[Mustangfreak]

It will if yall can't relax. Now let's get back to the op's topic and stop this BS.

[SeeingRed]

I didn't even mention you in that post Champ. I guess if YOU want lump yourself in then go ahead. I was mostly responding to NeverEuff's personal attack on my mechanical abilities and his obvious lack of respect for anyone who is'nt part of his band of brothers.

By your use of the words "you guys" and the s at the end of Nazis, I assumed you were lumping me in to your generalizing.

[SeeingRed]

you can kiss my fucking ass yall started the bull shit

What did my first post in this thread say? I'm not NeverEnuff slick. We're different people..."y'all" didn't start anything.

[SeeingRed]

It will if yall can't relax. Now let's get back to the op's topic and stop this BS.

Or use your mod abilities and delete all of the bullshit posts.

[Black_Bullitt]

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